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1st Person Accounts of Old Testament Stories

Central Question:

Is every interesting story in the Old Testament just a fable?

Why this is important to me:

In my mind, to believe in Jesus requires believing the Old Testament. There are many stories that are central to Christianity like the 12 Tribes of Israel, the creation story, and journeys of Moses. Also many of the core Christian tenants are defined in the Old Testament such as the 10 Commandments and tithing

The most important of items established in the Old Testament is the prophecy of a Savior. In my mind it is the key reason to believe in Jesus. He was fulfilling prophecy

That said, few of these stories appear to be written in 1st person. The most interesting ones are written literally hundreds of years after the supposed moment in history. Some are even taken from older traditions via other ancient religions. A similar scenario would be taking the current movies of King Authur as fact as we have zero 1st person written history of King Authur

Table of Contents

  1. Ancient Manuscript Dating
  2. Every Interesting Old Testament Story Is Like the Game of Telephone

Ancient Manuscript Dating

Dating texts cross-references many techniques to check the results of each. Carbon Dating is one method but not the only method. Experts also look at inconsistency in some arrangement, especially a juxtaposition of persons, events, objects, language terms and customs from different time periods

A good example of this is text handwriting clues such as fonts that did not exist before a time period. The same method is also used for words too. The goal is to narrow down the date by finding features/words that had not been designed before a specific date. After a date has been chosen it is peer reviewed for accuracy within their scientific journals

Every Interesting Old Testament Story Is Like the Game of Telephone

How can I believe any story that was written by 3rd person accounts. In fact, the most interesting Old Testament stories are written supposedly 100’s and 1000’s of years after they took place.

The TOP OLD TESTAMENT Stories Sorted By Years of Heresay Before They Were Written

Looking at this list, the stories written in real time are the boring stories. All of the juicy stories, the stories that Christianity depends on and has built its backbone and basis from are written with hundreds to thousands of years of heresay.

These stories are literally no different than someone in our time writing about King Authur. Building a religion upon these Old Testament stories back then would be like someone building a religion built around King Authur’s Lady of the Lake in this day. How can I trust these Old Testament stories?

The following are the top stories of the Old Testament as defined by biblesociety.org. The time differences are from Dating the Bible

How many years between when the story was actually written and the year is supposedly happened (in years) Story Is this a faith promoting story or just news Bibles Proposed Date for the Story (estimated in BC) Actual Date the Story Was Written (in BC) Previous Influential Mythology
5255 Creation and the fall (Genesis 1–3) Yes 6000 745  Gathas of Zarathushtra Yasna
4755 Noah and the flood (Genesis 6.9–9.17) Yes 5500 745 Epic of Gilgamesh (1800 BC)
2505 The tower of Babel (Genesis 11.1–9) Yes 3250 745 Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta (2100 BC)
1255 The call of Abraham (Genesis 12.1–9 and 17.1–8) Yes 2000 745 Phrixus Sacrifice Story
1255 Three visitors to Abraham (Genesis 18.1–15) Yes 2000 745  
1155 Joseph the dreamer (Genesis 37–45) Yes 1900 745  
1091 The birth of Moses (Exodus 1.8–2.10) Yes 1391 300  Sargon of Akkad’s Akkadian
1000 Moses and the burning bush (Exodus 3.1–15) Yes 1300 300  
1000 The ten plagues (Exodus 7.6–11.10) Yes 1300 300  
1000 Crossing the Red Sea (Exodus 13.17–14.31) Yes 1300 300  
1000 Manna and quail (Exodus 16) Yes 1300 300  
1000 Exploring Canaan (Numbers 13.1—14.12) Yes 1300 300  
1000 Balaam’s donkey (Numbers 22.21–38) Yes 1300 300  
1000 The Ten Commandments (Deuteronomy 5.1–22) Yes 1300 300 Egyptian Book of the Dead (2600)
971 The death of Moses (Deuteronomy 34) Yes 1271 300  
828 The fall of Jericho (Joshua 5.13–6.27) Yes 1573 745  
702 Judah is taken into exile in Babylon (2 Kings 24—25) No, this is news 1447 745  
700 Ruth and Naomi (Ruth 1–4) No, no witnesses but herself for prophetic parts 1100 400  
655 Entering the Promised Land (Joshua 3) Yes 1400 745  
455 Deborah leads God’s people (Judges 4–5) No, this is news 1200 745  
425 Gideon fights the Midianites (Judges 6–7) No, this is news 1170 745  
406 Jonah (Jonah 1–4) Yes 746 340 Many (1000+ BC)
355 Samson and Delilah (Judges 16) Yes 1100 745 Heracles and Enkidu
255 Israel asks for a king (1 Samuel 8) No, this is news 1000 745  
255 God chooses David as king (1 Samuel 16.1–13) No, no witnesses but himself 1000 745  
255 David kills Goliath (1 Samuel 17)                       Yes, but this was mistranslated to improve Davids status. Elhanan son of Jair-Oregim killed Goliath 1000 745  
255 David becomes king (2 Samuel 5.1–12) No, this is news 1000 745  
255 David and Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11) No, this is news 1000 745  
205 Israel rebels against Rehoboam (1 Kings 12.1–24) No, this is news 950 745  
186 Solomon and the wise judgement (1 Kings 3.16–28) No, this is news 931 745  
186 Solomon builds God’s temple (1 Kings 6) No, no witnesses but himself for prophetic parts 931 745  
105 Elijah and the prophets of Baal burning wet wood (1 Kings 18.16–46) Yes, while written 100 years after the fact with no eyewitnesses, this is plausible 850 745  
105 The still small voice (1 Kings 19) No, this is describing a method 850 745  
105 Elijah is taken up to heaven in a chariot (2 Kings 2.1–12) Yes, but the story has no eyewitness accounts 850 745  
40 Jeremiah and the potter’s house (Jeremiah 18) No, no witnesses but himself 626 586  
40 Jeremiah and the new covenant  (Jeremiah 31.1–34) No, no witnesses but himself 626 586  
0 The people are allowed to return from exile (Ezra 1) No, this is news 445 445  
0 Isaiah’s vision of God (Isaiah 6.1–8) No, no witnesses but himself 745 745  
0 Isaiah’s prophecies about a Messiah (Isaiah 7.10–17) No, no witnesses but himself 745 745  
0 Isaiah’s message of comfort (Isaiah 40.1–11) No, no witnesses but himself 745 745  
0 The suffering servant (Isaiah 52.13—53.12) No, no witnesses but himself 745 745  
0 Ezekiel’s vision of a chariot (Ezekiel 1) No, no witnesses but himself 586 586  
0 Ezekiel’s vision of dry bones (Ezekiel 37.1–14) No, no witnesses but himself 586 586  
0 Daniel and the fiery furnace (Daniel 3) Yes but it is written as a poem style that culturally was not intended to be believed 164 164  
0 Daniel and the lions’ den (Daniel 6) Yes but it is written as a poem style that culturally was not intended to be believed 164 164  
0 Hosea told to marry a prostitute (Hosea 1) No, this is a story of someone following God 745 745  
0 Joel’s vision of the future (Joel 2.28–32) No, too ambiguous to assure it is fulfilled 700 700  
0 Amos’ condemnation of the king (Amos 7.10–17) No, too ambiguous to assure it is fulfilled 745 745  

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